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Noah Lines's avatar

Sam, I'm a fan of your work. Thanks for giving me some things to chew on.

As a Hart fan, I often wish he’d dial back the polemics because the caustic rhetoric can get in the way of people actually engaging with his arguments. That said, if you truly believe that millions of sincere Christians are casually endorsing a doctrine of eternal torture, some heat in the prose feels at least proportionate to the stakes. It feels almost justified in this specific book (not necessarily all his books).

On the free will question, the standard objection "if we aren't free to choose hell, how can we be free to choose heaven?" begs the question. It treats heaven and hell like two equivalent items on a menu for a neutral, detached will to pick between. But Hart’s entire point is that the human will doesn't work that way.

If choosing hell requires a deeply pathological delusion, then that choice isn't a robust expression of freedom worth protecting; it’s a sickness. Critics often hold up the devil as proof that rational, divine beings can choose damnation, but a fundamentally pathological choice isn't "freedom" in any meaningful sense (you could, of course, heavily stipulate the LDS conception of free will with an acknowledgement of the always already given personhood that we do the best we can with (à la Adam Miller) but are not ultimately responsible for, even if we are responsible for our choices under the influence of that personhood, the disparity there being where the Lord steps in and universal salvation becomes a logical conclusion).

Hart’s analogy of Christ cuts right through this: Christ could not sin in a libertarian sense, yet no orthodox Christian argues that Christ lacked genuine freedom. Dismissing this as an "elegant dodge" is itself a bit of a dodge itself, never actually explaining why the analogy fails.

Finally, the position that Hart’s arguments are "least compelling" regarding human agency may be true under an LDS theological perspective. But Hart is his own brand of classical theist, and his conception of God as Satchitananda (being-consciousness-bliss) is not the God that Latter-Day Saints worship. Under his framework, his approach to human agency makes plenty of sense and I think is absolutely internally coherent. Failing to disclose that difference is a bit disingenuous.

James R. Cooper's avatar

Traditional hell and automatic universal salvation seem to create opposite problems.

Endless punishment makes real change finally impossible, because punishment never heals. But guaranteed salvation can also weaken agency, because refusal cannot finally remain real.

What I appreciate in Restoration theology is that it does not need endless torment to preserve moral seriousness. But it also does not have to make salvation automatic. It tries to preserve both mercy and meaningful agency: God’s grace is real, judgment is real, consequences are real, and becoming still matters.

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